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from arielfernandez/Ariel
(8) on November 16, 2003 4:41:38
PM CST (3)
great colorful autumn shot. i like the reflection on the water,
the color of the trees and the white plants on the foreground. great
shot.
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from ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 12, 2003 8:35:52
AM CST (10)
This is a pretty nice fall landscape shot, with attractive colors
on the main parts of the trees. The leaves on the ground below the
trees are also pretty. I don't think much of the rest of the shot
works, however. Since nobody has bothered to actually write a useful
critique of this shot, I will give a few suggestions.
The biggest issue here is that the horizon is severely tilted --
I would be surprised that none of the people giving you 3TU
mentioned that, but then that would require actually taking a
critical look at the image, which few people seem to care about. You
really should fix that horizon, Eugenio. An easy way is to use the
reflections in the water; they should align vertically with the
object itself.
Second, the composition is pretty good, but you could make it
more powerful with your cropping. Either include all of the path on
the far left, or exclude it all. The same with the tree on the far
right, which is similar to the one on the left, so leave it all in
if you can, otherwise get rid of it or crop it down the middle.
Finally, the whitish plants or whatever they are in the foreground
really do not work with this image at all, in my opinion. They are
very cold and do not match the warmth of the rest of the image. I
would have excluded them from the composition, and failing that, I
would crop them out in their entirety.
Last and probably not least, this image could really use some
sharpening, and it is a bit dark in the main subject area, so some
levels or curves work would help. --c
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From guidobaccarini/Guido
(2,163) on November 12, 2003
8:59:24 AM CST
Despite I have recently "collide" with Charles on other
criticisms, I have to recognize that this IS a TRUE critique.
Independently from the fact that he's right or less (and in
this case, it is my opinion, it is right).
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From yagoryo/Eugenio
(14,335) on November 12, 2003
5:51:00 PM CST
Thanks Charles, for the criticisms the precious suggestions
to improve my hobby. Unfortunately this lake is round, and the
horizon is not definable, the path is in descent, I can make
only reference to the trees, that are folded up here, it
becomes really difficult to understand what the verticality
and the horizon it is. For the grass in the foreground your
opinion is probably exact, unfortunately if I cut too much, I
ruined the effect of the reflex. A question: because if the
people like critics that give 3TU? It forgives my English
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From ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 12, 2003
6:18:21 PM CST
The horizon can be tough but the reflections make it easy.
All you have to do is use the measure tool in PS to line up a
spot on a real tree with its reflection. If you then select
Image > Rotate Canvas > Arbitrary, it automatically
fills it in with the right angle to rotate so the horizon is
correct. Click
here to see what I mean.
I agree that you could not do much about the grass in this
case, I would just keep it in mind for the next time.
I did not understand your question about people who give
3TU, please feel free to ask in Italian (I presume?) and I
will translate it. --c
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From yagoryo/Eugenio
(14,335) on November 12, 2003
6:34:21 PM CST
Thanks still for the jewels suggestions..... I have seen
his/her jobs..... you glorify. And it is a case if one my
photo has reached the principal page, I don't do it for her
"glory", but because I want to learn. MI seemed, excuse me if
I have understood badly, that gave you bother if whoever has
seen then the photo it gave him the 3TU.
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From ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 12, 2003
7:45:12 PM CST
Eugenio, it doesn't bother me that people give photos 3TU.
It bothers me when they give photos 3TU because they won't
take the time to look at the image and judge it objectively.
But that certainly is not your fault. --c
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From mtpsuper/Maria
Teresa (40,702) on November 12, 2003
6:59:24 PM CST
I hope all of you will forgive my presence, but I'm afraid
that in a photo like this the horizon line has few meaning,
cause we don't have a sea in front of us, with a normally
stright horizon line, but a lake, and in this case, also with
a short distance from the place where the photographer is
taking his shot. So, to use PS at all costs it could be really
unnecessary. I would say, too, that all of us, here, are,
maybe, forgetting that we are speaking about a simple photo,
and what it's really important, in my opinion, is expecially
the emotional sensations that the photo can give, even before
a more detailed examination of it. Finally, Charles, I suppose
that Eugenio simply wanted ask the reason why how much people
gave 3TU in spite of all the flaws you've seen. And I hope
that your expression about "feel free to ask italian and I
will transalate" was only a quip, is it so?
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From ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 12, 2003
7:53:06 PM CST
I'm afraid that in a photo like this the horizon line
has few meaning, cause we don't have a sea in front of us,
with a normally stright horizon line, but a lake, and in this
case, also with a short distance from the place where the
photographer is taking his shot. So, to use PS at all costs it
could be really unnecessary.
Sorry, I don't agree. The horizon here is off by a full 3
degrees, and it was very noticeable to me even on the
thumbnail. The reflections make it easy to fix, please see the
photo I linked in my prior response to Eugenio.
I would say, too, that all of us, here, are, maybe,
forgetting that we are speaking about a simple photo, and what
it's really important, in my opinion, is expecially the
emotional sensations that the photo can give, even before a
more detailed examination of it.
Fine, so don't do a detailed examination of it. But this
site is supposed to be a place for people to write
critiques. And simply going "oooh, ahh, this is nice"
is not a critique. It does nothing to help the photographer
nor anyone else learn anything or improve.
Do you think it is good for people to post shots here with
obvious flaws and have nobody point them out? I don't. I make
better photos today because people have in the past told me
that my horizon was crooked, or my highlights were blown out,
or my composition stunk, or whatever.
You can't get that sort of feedback in other places. Out in
the real world, people will also politely say "nice shot" but
the knowledgeable ones will be thinking to themselves "wow,
why is the horizon on that so crooked?" or whatever. Why not
point this out so it can be taken into account the next time?
Finally, Charles, I suppose that Eugenio simply wanted
ask the reason why how much people gave 3TU in spite of all
the flaws you've seen.
Because they don't look, or because they just want to say
nice things, or because they don't want to take the time to
analyze the shot. It takes time to write a proper critique, no
time at all to write "oh this is so nice".
And I hope that your expression about "feel free to ask
italian and I will transalate" was only a quip, is it so?
I thought it might be easier for him to ask in Italian and
let me use a translation program; I don't know what you mean
by a "quip" here. I wasn't being sarcastic. --c
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From ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 13, 2003
5:16:13 PM CST
Don't agree about what? Look, I've written and explained my
critique, if you don't like it, fine. If you just want to
write "nice shot" and not try to improve photographers here,
join the rest of the large group, I don't really care. --c
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From mtpsuper/Maria
Teresa (40,702) on November 13, 2003
6:28:00 PM CST
Hey, my friend, stop here, please. Simply I would like you
could consent that someone could have a different oipinion
from yours. Obviously I'm here in photosig to learn and to
observe photo by others people, and to have critiques on mine.
But there are many kinds of critique, I presume, and there are
many kinds of manners writing them. But, anyway, clearly, we
have different ideas about the function of photos taken by
amateur-photographers. Usually I don't write only "nice shot"
as you said, and, forgive me, but I don'think I can allow you
to say this; but surely I don't try to find flaws everywhere
at all costs. I prefer have sensations by images, and so,
here, I'm trying, looking the photo by other people, to learn
how to have and how to give sensations in my turn. And maybe a
lot of other people, here, feel the pleasure to write simply
"nice shot" cause they think so, and this just cause they feel
more important the first impression that a photo can give them
then to examine every single photo in every single its part.
This is, probably, what happened whit the photo above. Simply.
Anyway, maybe all this argument is simply due to manners you
used, and so, forgive me, but I prefer stop here the argue;
just a last thing: I, surely, don't have problems to "join the
rest of the large group". And I don't really care what you
think about this.
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From ixl/Charles
(3,325) on November 13, 2003
6:34:04 PM CST
You sure wrote a hell of a lot for someone who doesn't care
what I think. Do you imagine that anyone else is reading these
replies of yours?
I translated your comment below on this shot, and it
basically comes down to "nice shot". You explained why you
think it was a nice shot, how wonderful. If that's what you
want to do, fine, but I guarantee that your complaining about
my critiques will not influence my approach at all. Simply
put, there are too many people here doing what you do, which
doesn't help the photographer improve, and not enough doing
what I do, which does. And Eugenio said he appreciated my
comments, so why don't you give it a rest already?
I'm not responding again, you can have the last word. --c
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from neoviruz/Neo
(480) on November 12, 2003 7:00:34
AM CST (5)
Really fantastic! the autumnal colors I am how much of more
attractive than photographs and you immortalized them in
extraordinary manner. The reflection of everything on the superfice
of the lake excites still of more the picture! Compliments!
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from harolds/Harold
(178) on November 12, 2003 1:50:54
AM CST (5)
this tighter crop looks much better, I like the way you got many
bright colors in the photo and a tease of a reflection.
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from robertsondl/David
(541) on November 11, 2003 7:51:03
PM CST (6)
Eugenio: Thank you for reposting your earlier image with it
cropped tighter. I was one of the people who commented on the prior
image. This is so much better. Congratulations on making such a
significant improvement.
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From yagoryo/Eugenio
(14,335) on November 11, 2003
8:58:15 PM CST
Thanks David, the suggestions of the other ones are
precious to improve him.
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from parsifal/Stefano
(106) on November 11, 2003 7:23:53
PM CST (5)
Hi, the colors in those trees is spectacular,has found a good
moment to go off the photo, very beautiful the autumn colors
Compliments,good job.
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from vladimiro/Vladimiro
(509) on November 11, 2003 7:08:04
PM CST (5)
Hi Eugenio, another beautiful hit, the reflexes on the lake seem
fire, I am spellbound from the trees, really a beautiful job
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from ryorayan/Ryo
(252) on November 11, 2003 6:59:37
PM CST (7)
Hi Eugenio, I think about having never seen such an intense photo
with the so alive colors, compliments Ryo
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from andag1/Andrew
(168,839) on November 11, 2003 6:26:46
PM CST (9)
I think this is great, Eugenio! My only wish would be that
perhaps the grass near the trees were a bit more covered with
leaves. I don't ask much, do I? Lovely colors. I'm not quite
accomplished enough to offer you up any technical advice. Sorry for
that.
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from willwest/Will
(126) on November 11, 2003 6:12:50
PM CST (8)
Yes, this is autumn! I like the colours very much! But personally
I would have added a bit more sharpness before uploading ;-) What do
you think? But the reflection on the water and the foreground are
great! Greetings Will
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from datwood/Dave
(5,988) on November 11, 2003 6:06:58
PM CST (8)
Great color and light. Your composition is quite good, although
I'd like to see more reflected colors to balance the lower portion
of the shot. This really draws the eye. It is very good work.
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From mtpsuper/Maria
Teresa (40,702) on November 12, 2003 3:37:45
AM CST
Hey, non vale posizionare degli specchi per ottenere questi
effetti! Scherzi a parte, è davvero bellissima! colori fantastici
che si combinano perfettamente in un insieme che riesce ad essere
allegro quando in genere i colori dell'autunno tendono a far sentire
malinconici. La vegetazione bianca in primo piano, poi, è l'idea
geniale che aggiunge l'originalità all'inquadratura. Bravo! (non mi
fa mettere i pollicioni perchè "troppo frequente", ma sarebbero
stati 3)!
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