Particular of the lake in autumn


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Title     Particular of the lake in autumn
Photographer     yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user
Portfolio     Autumn - Winter
Categories     Landscape
Nature
Camera     Fuji Finepix S304
Submitted     November 11, 2003 6:04:44 PM CST
Views     1,507
Rating     27 Thumb-up

Lake of lagolo ,Trento, Dolomiti, Italy

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from arielfernandez/Ariel (8) Send mail to this user on November 16, 2003 4:41:38 PM CST (3)

great colorful autumn shot. i like the reflection on the water, the color of the trees and the white plants on the foreground. great shot.

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Thumb-up    from ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 8:35:52 AM CST (10)

This is a pretty nice fall landscape shot, with attractive colors on the main parts of the trees. The leaves on the ground below the trees are also pretty. I don't think much of the rest of the shot works, however. Since nobody has bothered to actually write a useful critique of this shot, I will give a few suggestions.

The biggest issue here is that the horizon is severely tilted -- I would be surprised that none of the people giving you 3TU mentioned that, but then that would require actually taking a critical look at the image, which few people seem to care about. You really should fix that horizon, Eugenio. An easy way is to use the reflections in the water; they should align vertically with the object itself.

Second, the composition is pretty good, but you could make it more powerful with your cropping. Either include all of the path on the far left, or exclude it all. The same with the tree on the far right, which is similar to the one on the left, so leave it all in if you can, otherwise get rid of it or crop it down the middle. Finally, the whitish plants or whatever they are in the foreground really do not work with this image at all, in my opinion. They are very cold and do not match the warmth of the rest of the image. I would have excluded them from the composition, and failing that, I would crop them out in their entirety.

Last and probably not least, this image could really use some sharpening, and it is a bit dark in the main subject area, so some levels or curves work would help. --c

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From guidobaccarini/Guido (2,163) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 8:59:24 AM CST

Despite I have recently "collide" with Charles on other criticisms, I have to recognize that this IS a TRUE critique. Independently from the fact that he's right or less (and in this case, it is my opinion, it is right).

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 5:51:00 PM CST

Thanks Charles, for the criticisms the precious suggestions to improve my hobby. Unfortunately this lake is round, and the horizon is not definable, the path is in descent, I can make only reference to the trees, that are folded up here, it becomes really difficult to understand what the verticality and the horizon it is. For the grass in the foreground your opinion is probably exact, unfortunately if I cut too much, I ruined the effect of the reflex. A question: because if the people like critics that give 3TU? It forgives my English

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From ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 6:18:21 PM CST

The horizon can be tough but the reflections make it easy. All you have to do is use the measure tool in PS to line up a spot on a real tree with its reflection. If you then select Image > Rotate Canvas > Arbitrary, it automatically fills it in with the right angle to rotate so the horizon is correct. Click here to see what I mean.

I agree that you could not do much about the grass in this case, I would just keep it in mind for the next time.

I did not understand your question about people who give 3TU, please feel free to ask in Italian (I presume?) and I will translate it. --c

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 6:34:21 PM CST

Thanks still for the jewels suggestions..... I have seen his/her jobs..... you glorify. And it is a case if one my photo has reached the principal page, I don't do it for her "glory", but because I want to learn. MI seemed, excuse me if I have understood badly, that gave you bother if whoever has seen then the photo it gave him the 3TU.

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From ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 7:45:12 PM CST

Eugenio, it doesn't bother me that people give photos 3TU. It bothers me when they give photos 3TU because they won't take the time to look at the image and judge it objectively. But that certainly is not your fault. --c

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From mtpsuper/Maria Teresa (40,702) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 6:59:24 PM CST

I hope all of you will forgive my presence, but I'm afraid that in a photo like this the horizon line has few meaning, cause we don't have a sea in front of us, with a normally stright horizon line, but a lake, and in this case, also with a short distance from the place where the photographer is taking his shot. So, to use PS at all costs it could be really unnecessary. I would say, too, that all of us, here, are, maybe, forgetting that we are speaking about a simple photo, and what it's really important, in my opinion, is expecially the emotional sensations that the photo can give, even before a more detailed examination of it. Finally, Charles, I suppose that Eugenio simply wanted ask the reason why how much people gave 3TU in spite of all the flaws you've seen. And I hope that your expression about "feel free to ask italian and I will transalate" was only a quip, is it so?

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From ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 7:53:06 PM CST

I'm afraid that in a photo like this the horizon line has few meaning, cause we don't have a sea in front of us, with a normally stright horizon line, but a lake, and in this case, also with a short distance from the place where the photographer is taking his shot. So, to use PS at all costs it could be really unnecessary.

Sorry, I don't agree. The horizon here is off by a full 3 degrees, and it was very noticeable to me even on the thumbnail. The reflections make it easy to fix, please see the photo I linked in my prior response to Eugenio.

I would say, too, that all of us, here, are, maybe, forgetting that we are speaking about a simple photo, and what it's really important, in my opinion, is expecially the emotional sensations that the photo can give, even before a more detailed examination of it.

Fine, so don't do a detailed examination of it. But this site is supposed to be a place for people to write critiques. And simply going "oooh, ahh, this is nice" is not a critique. It does nothing to help the photographer nor anyone else learn anything or improve.

Do you think it is good for people to post shots here with obvious flaws and have nobody point them out? I don't. I make better photos today because people have in the past told me that my horizon was crooked, or my highlights were blown out, or my composition stunk, or whatever.

You can't get that sort of feedback in other places. Out in the real world, people will also politely say "nice shot" but the knowledgeable ones will be thinking to themselves "wow, why is the horizon on that so crooked?" or whatever. Why not point this out so it can be taken into account the next time?

Finally, Charles, I suppose that Eugenio simply wanted ask the reason why how much people gave 3TU in spite of all the flaws you've seen.

Because they don't look, or because they just want to say nice things, or because they don't want to take the time to analyze the shot. It takes time to write a proper critique, no time at all to write "oh this is so nice".

And I hope that your expression about "feel free to ask italian and I will transalate" was only a quip, is it so?

I thought it might be easier for him to ask in Italian and let me use a translation program; I don't know what you mean by a "quip" here. I wasn't being sarcastic. --c

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From mtpsuper/Maria Teresa (40,702) Send mail to this user on November 13, 2003 5:13:11 PM CST

Sorry, I don't agree.

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From ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 13, 2003 5:16:13 PM CST

Don't agree about what? Look, I've written and explained my critique, if you don't like it, fine. If you just want to write "nice shot" and not try to improve photographers here, join the rest of the large group, I don't really care. --c

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From mtpsuper/Maria Teresa (40,702) Send mail to this user on November 13, 2003 6:28:00 PM CST

Hey, my friend, stop here, please. Simply I would like you could consent that someone could have a different oipinion from yours. Obviously I'm here in photosig to learn and to observe photo by others people, and to have critiques on mine. But there are many kinds of critique, I presume, and there are many kinds of manners writing them. But, anyway, clearly, we have different ideas about the function of photos taken by amateur-photographers. Usually I don't write only "nice shot" as you said, and, forgive me, but I don'think I can allow you to say this; but surely I don't try to find flaws everywhere at all costs. I prefer have sensations by images, and so, here, I'm trying, looking the photo by other people, to learn how to have and how to give sensations in my turn. And maybe a lot of other people, here, feel the pleasure to write simply "nice shot" cause they think so, and this just cause they feel more important the first impression that a photo can give them then to examine every single photo in every single its part. This is, probably, what happened whit the photo above. Simply. Anyway, maybe all this argument is simply due to manners you used, and so, forgive me, but I prefer stop here the argue; just a last thing: I, surely, don't have problems to "join the rest of the large group". And I don't really care what you think about this.

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From ixl/Charles (3,325) Send mail to this user on November 13, 2003 6:34:04 PM CST

You sure wrote a hell of a lot for someone who doesn't care what I think. Do you imagine that anyone else is reading these replies of yours?

I translated your comment below on this shot, and it basically comes down to "nice shot". You explained why you think it was a nice shot, how wonderful. If that's what you want to do, fine, but I guarantee that your complaining about my critiques will not influence my approach at all. Simply put, there are too many people here doing what you do, which doesn't help the photographer improve, and not enough doing what I do, which does. And Eugenio said he appreciated my comments, so why don't you give it a rest already?

I'm not responding again, you can have the last word. --c

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from neoviruz/Neo (480) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 7:00:34 AM CST (5)

Really fantastic! the autumnal colors I am how much of more attractive than photographs and you immortalized them in extraordinary manner. The reflection of everything on the superfice of the lake excites still of more the picture! Compliments!

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 5:54:02 PM CST

Thanks Neo

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from harolds/Harold (178) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 1:50:54 AM CST (5)

this tighter crop looks much better, I like the way you got many bright colors in the photo and a tease of a reflection.

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 6:23:03 AM CST

Thanks Harold.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from robertsondl/David (541) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 7:51:03 PM CST (6)

Eugenio: Thank you for reposting your earlier image with it cropped tighter. I was one of the people who commented on the prior image. This is so much better. Congratulations on making such a significant improvement.

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 8:58:15 PM CST

Thanks David, the suggestions of the other ones are precious to improve him.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from parsifal/Stefano (106) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 7:23:53 PM CST (5)

Hi, the colors in those trees is spectacular,has found a good moment to go off the photo, very beautiful the autumn colors Compliments,good job.

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 8:55:31 PM CST

Thanks Stefano

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from vladimiro/Vladimiro (509) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 7:08:04 PM CST (5)

Hi Eugenio, another beautiful hit, the reflexes on the lake seem fire, I am spellbound from the trees, really a beautiful job

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 8:54:59 PM CST

Thanks Vladimiro

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Thumb-up Thumb-up Thumb-up    from ryorayan/Ryo (252) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:59:37 PM CST (7)

Hi Eugenio, I think about having never seen such an intense photo with the so alive colors, compliments Ryo

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 8:54:29 PM CST

Thanks Ryo

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from andag1/Andrew (168,839) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:26:46 PM CST (9) Early critique

I think this is great, Eugenio! My only wish would be that perhaps the grass near the trees were a bit more covered with leaves. I don't ask much, do I?
Lovely colors. I'm not quite accomplished enough to offer you up any technical advice. Sorry for that.

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:33:09 PM CST

Thanks Andrew, for the beautiful words

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From andag1/Andrew (168,839) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 7:59:15 PM CST

You're quite welcome, Eugenio.

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from willwest/Will (126) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:12:50 PM CST (8) Early critique

Yes, this is autumn! I like the colours very much! But personally I would have added a bit more sharpness before uploading ;-) What do you think? But the reflection on the water and the foreground are great! Greetings Will

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:20:30 PM CST

Thanks for the criticism and the suggestions

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From willwest/Will (126) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 11:17:04 AM CST

Pleasure! ;-)

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Thumb-up Thumb-up    from datwood/Dave (5,988) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:06:58 PM CST (8) Early critique

Great color and light. Your composition is quite good, although I'd like to see more reflected colors to balance the lower portion of the shot. This really draws the eye. It is very good work.

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From yagoryo/Eugenio (14,335) Send mail to this user on November 11, 2003 6:19:15 PM CST

Thanks for the appreciations.

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From mtpsuper/Maria Teresa (40,702) Send mail to this user on November 12, 2003 3:37:45 AM CST

Hey, non vale posizionare degli specchi per ottenere questi effetti! Scherzi a parte, è davvero bellissima! colori fantastici che si combinano perfettamente in un insieme che riesce ad essere allegro quando in genere i colori dell'autunno tendono a far sentire malinconici. La vegetazione bianca in primo piano, poi, è l'idea geniale che aggiunge l'originalità all'inquadratura. Bravo! (non mi fa mettere i pollicioni perchè "troppo frequente", ma sarebbero stati 3)!

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